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Transcript from the May2, 2005 Broadcast: Most of us
think of multiple sclerosis as a problem affecting adults. But
surprisingly children get it too and that’s being increasingly
recognised around the world because many of these children go
undiagnosed for a long time. Children may also be able to give more
accurate clues as to what might trigger this toxic attack by the immune
system on the brain.
Lauren Krupp is Professor of Neurology at the State University of New
York at Stony Brook and is also Director of the United States’ National
Paediatric Multiple Sclerosis Centre.
Lauren Krupp: It’s not particularly common but the number of kids out
there are hard to estimate because no one seems to know how to
recognise it. The guess is of the two and a half million people with
multiple sclerosis worldwide that maybe about 5% have had the onset of
their disease earlier than age 18. Previously there was no treatment so
when faced with a child that might have MS or might not, there was a
great reluctance to burden the family with some
Norman Swan: Incurable disease.
Lauren Krupp: Because not everything that initially looks like MS, particularly in childhood, turns out to be MS.
Norman Swan: So what does a child with MS typically present with,
because in adults it’s things like funny neurological symptoms, double
vision, pins and needles, weakness in one place or other, so a sort of
scattered kind of presentation in adults.
Lauren Krupp: We think that this presentation in children is probably
more similar than it is different although there might be some
differences. And you can imagine if a child has some problems with
vision in one eye, often they don’t tell anybody and then maybe six
months later either it happens again or it affects the other eye and
now they may mention it to their parents who think oh, you know, they
just got some dust in their eye. From there maybe it will go to the
point where they’ll see a paediatrician who then might send the kid to
an ophthalmologist and slowly the possibility of MS comes up but
through a very long circuitous route and when it finally is raised
there’s this quandary because the people who manage MS are adult
neurologists and the people who manage kids are paediatric neurologists
and so what happens is the paediatric neurologist says well I know how
to handle kids but I don’t know how to handle this disease. And the
adult neurologist says I know how to handle MS but I don’t take care of
kids and the family falls in between.
Norman Swan: And is it mainly visual symptoms they can present with? Can you give me a typical story that’s not visual?
Lauren Krupp: Right so one child was doing OK until he developed some
double vision and his mum noticed that he was dropping things and he
seemed like he was a little unsteady. And he saw his paediatrician,
they thought that he had maybe a cold, he slowly got better and then
about four months later he developed a weakness on the opposite of his
body and he was having trouble walking up stairs and in sports and that
led to a neurological evaluation and had a MRI and there were white
matter lesions all over his brain. And we’ve seen things like that
happen in kids as young as 4. Usually it’s in younger adolescence but
it can happen much earlier than that. Other times kids develop
sleepiness, or confusion, or even seizures.
Norman Swan: Often when children get what are traditionally adult
problems like this they get it in a more toxic fashion it goes a more
severe course – is that true of multiple sclerosis?
Lauren Krupp: It’s a good question, we don’t really know because there
is not enough systematic studies. There certainly however been in my
experience a sub group of kids who have very, very traumatic disease
and there was also clearly a group who previously would have gone
unrecognised so kids who might have had some mild sensory problems, so
there’s definitely a range of populations of kids out there with
different degrees of impairment.
Norman Swan: Is it a different disease?
Lauren Krupp: Well we actually think that studying MS in children is an
opportunity to pinpoint more clearly what the pathogenesis might be for
two reasons. The genetic component is certainly there for kids and
adults, the question would be why in a childhood population is the
disease getting expressed so soon? It’s also the case that viral
exposures are most likely an important trigger to the development of
MS. So if that’s the case you would think that you might have a better
chance of identifying those viral exposures in someone who’s only been
around for say 7 years as opposed to someone who’s been around 27 years
when there’s all that much additional irrelevant exposures that that
older person has had. So as a result we’ve actually collaborated with
investigators from all over the world and have found that there may be
a higher frequency of antibodies to EBV virus in children.
Norman Swan: And this is the glandular fever virus (Epstein Barr Virus).
Lauren Krupp: Yes, it’s not thinking that that virus is the cause but
it might be easier in this population to see what might be a trigger.
Norman Swan: And how do you treat children with multiple sclerosis –
with the same drugs, these relatively new drugs that you are treating
adults?
Lauren Krupp: Right now there’s only been sort of scattered reports of
the various medications that are used in adult MS as applied to
children. However those reports suggest that the medications are very
safe in kids.
Norman Swan: These are drugs that essentially affect the immune system?
Lauren Krupp: Yes. In general with MS there is the feeling that the
earlier you treat the more likely you’ll be able to intervene
favourably.
Norman Swan: How do these kids go at school? Because another area of
research that you have in adults is that thinking ability sometimes
declines in people with multiple sclerosis, which isn’t something, I
was particularly aware of.
Lauren Krupp: One of our major interests in general with MS has been
how people with MS process information in a very fast moving internet
based kind of world. This interest was there as well in looking at the
kids and not surprisingly we found that a lot of kids were actually
having trouble at school. And I think the reasons are multiple but
certainly there’s a group of children who are experiencing cognitive
complications from the MS. Their thinking is slower, their memory is
impaired and that in conjunction with missing days of school because of
MS relapses, or the emotional distress of having a chronic illness,
leads to poor academic performance in many of them.
Norman Swan: And Dr Krupp has trialled an Alzheimer’s drug in adults
with MS and found some benefits. Lauren Krupp is Director of the United
States: National Paediatric Multiple Sclerosis Centre based at the
State University of New York at Stony Brook.
References:
MacAllister WS et al. Cognitive functioning in children and adolescents
with multiple sclerosis. Neurology, April 26, 2005;64(8):1422-5
Krupp LB, MacAllister WS Treatment of Pediatric Multiple Sclerosis. Current Treatment Options Neurology, May 2005;7(3):191-199
Krupp LB et al. Donepezil improved memory in multiple sclerosis in a
randomised clinical trial. Neurology, November 9, 2004;63(9):1579-85
Krupp LB Fatigue in multiple sclerosis: definition, pathophysiology and treatment. CNS Drugs 2003;17(4):225-34
Guests on this program:
Dr Lauren Krupp
Professor of Neurology
State University of New York
Stony Brook, New York
U.S.A.
Presenter: Norman Swan
Producer: Brigitte Seega
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